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unprecedented Financial opportunity

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be normal this is the saucer life a

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podcast in which we examine Concepts

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events or people orbiting the world of

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flying saucers few preconceptions snark

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when Justified no belief no debunking in

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this episode we look back at the

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earliest days of UFO magazine when it

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was called I was going to say simply

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called but no it's more complex when it

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was called California magazine

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subtitle a forum on extraterrestrial

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theories and phenomena

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and I got this this first issue Volume 1

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Number One of California UFO September

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October 1986 from ufomag.com the UFO

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magazine website they've got the first

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few issues up as downloadable PDFs for

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the very low cost of

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250 three dollars something like that

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very very affordable wonderful deal and

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the link is in the show notes to um to

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grab that not that this is some sort of

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advertisement or anything it's not there

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commercial consideration provided I'm

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just a fan of places putting old

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magazines up online and I'm happy to pay

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some money for that because stuff costs

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money you know so this first issue is

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differences between what was in UFO

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magazine in 1986 and what would be in

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um the late 90s I think I found the

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not that I wasn't interested in UFOs

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before that but honestly I didn't really

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live in places where I could get my

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hands on UFO magazine usually when I

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Omni I really liked Omni magazine we

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so on the cover which you can see in the

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episode art in your podcast app or on

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the website or wherever else you see

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headline lettering on the the beige

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printing because printing used to be

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would later become so the headlines are

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the following the 976 UFOs hotline

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24-hour news on UFOs Brazilian UFO cases

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examined Brad steiger's 18 UFO theories

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story about salute sightings and Nicola

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um some sightings and we've got a

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we see an ad from UFO contact newsline

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for the book UFO contact from planet

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recent issue of UFO magazine that I ever

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2005. uh the cover is uh of some ice on

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um from herbalhealer.com healing the

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world with nature so one person and pet

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at a time well nothing uh nothing wrong

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with that provided that uh you engage in

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Natural Health Care under the direction

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of qualified professionals I think I

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if it is pretty heavily on the contact

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East Side continuing on we have the

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first letter from the editor and the

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editor Was Vicki Cooper who would be the

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long time sort of person running UFO

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magazine as Vicki Cooper and then as

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Vicky Cooper Ecker and she is joined by

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long time collaborator who would be

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which is kind of redundant uh creative

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director Sherry Stark one important UFO

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magazine figure is not present and that

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is the um director of Investigations uh

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don Ecker he is not on the scene yet

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um but he would be he would be later but

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who's an editorial consultant and Edwin

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stock the editorial assistant and so we

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have a letter from Vicki Cooper

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explaining basically why the world needs

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editing a UFO magazine is a calculated

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risk I calculate that more people

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believe in UFOs than don't I believe

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that you might be one of them or one of

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them I want to hear from all of you no

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matter what part of the universe you

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call home

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of those who are interested in the

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subject see extraterrestrial benevolence

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as a metaphor for Hope for the new age

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deftly pirouetting between hard 21st

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century technology and utopian dreams

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Buffs believe that the who out there is

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nothing more than our future selves come

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back to guide us over the hump evidence

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game too clinicians and Boogeyman Angels

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choose your co-conspiratorial life form

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space a strictly UFO oriented

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publication also Taps the Mythic

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fantasies many people around this world

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continue to grasp if only metaphysically

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as they coily roam the Disneyland of our

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Collective unconscious visions that

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whatever might be out there can

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conceivably enrich our lives and perhaps

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prevent imminent planetary catastrophe

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my generation that predicted cataclysm

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has come to seem irrevocably final

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favorite human dream of being saved and

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just in the nick of time

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that's not necessarily the dream UFO the

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slash serious Forum about an entity

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variously garbed in its many delightful

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guises an inexact unproven entity a red

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herring symbolic Escape valve Cosmic

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diversion game player par Excellence

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we view UFOs and ETS as unequivocally

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irresistible pan species Invitation to

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re-envision Life but will cover and are

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wondrous perplexing objects and their

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drivers to really have their day on

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of this magazine we intend to do our job

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with a lot of heart power and always

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that is fun and interesting and used as

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a great vocabulary but clearly wasn't

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human at any time that's what I feel

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video that uh is named after a breath

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mint for example that we've seen lately

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or Chinese balloons or or what have you

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dear editor I would very much like to

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share with everybody the moving

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and the wonderful six-pointed star that

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production companies are reading my

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never get discouraged because of the

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special guidance I feel every single day

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headline Tesla Symposium to benefit

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comma rejuvenate Integratron yes the

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ashtar or something I can't quite

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exploring Nikola Tesla's Advanced

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electromagnetic theories it's being

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the the Integratron there in in Yucca

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designed for cellular revitalization and

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anti-gravity research the Integratron

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contactee George Van Tassel Van Tassel

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had claimed that space beings were the

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source of technological instructions for

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the unit's initial construction he died

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mechanical and spiritual standpoint

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correct application of Tesla's theories

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will hasten the integratron's final

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completion it's a big Rejuvenation

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machine Brown says adding that some

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Tesla proponents found ways of

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mechanically driving cancers out of

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people's bodies although other diseases

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took over when there wasn't a spiritual

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I would be much obliged if some

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listeners from out near that area or who

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are hooked up with Integratron stuff can

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let me know if that fundraising effort

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was at all successful also in the news

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we have this headline resolution

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proposes open UFO landing it starts off

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a joint resolution directly addressing

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extraterrestrials has been drafted by an

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international Triad of UFO research

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organizations this sounds interesting

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there's a UFO team from Cleveland the

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Cleveland ufology project and teams from

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Denmark and West Germany as well as the

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new york-based InterContinental UFO

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Galactic spacecraft research and

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analytic Network and they are calling

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for an open Landing by homo cosmicus

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which I suppose is the cosmic man

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um I've never homo cosmicus I've I like

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that I like that it's sort of a a sort

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of sciency name for space brothers and

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the resolution also urges all the powers

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of outer space representing human

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intelligence of superior civilizations

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to give advanced notice to the media of

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their arrival and to maintain a steady

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open communication with the nations of

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Earth

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drafted on March 17th in Cleveland Ohio

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the document is based on what UFO

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activists claim is 16 years of failed

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governmental attempts to establish

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communication with ET or Galactic

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Civilization along with the icufon the

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international get acquainted program

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Europe research and contact Network and

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the German international UFO research

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the get acquainted program the the

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European get acquainted program these

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are Georgia damsky people it all makes

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sense well it doesn't all make sense but

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some of it makes a little more sense

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let's see what else do we have here oh

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there's a new local chairman of the

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National UFO conference and his name is

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William L Moore yeah we saw a couple

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weeks ago or about a month ago what

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became of Bill Moore and then we get to

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one of the major stories its headline is

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Paul Shepard bringing UFO news to the

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masses and Paul Shepard's name came up

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earlier Paul Shepard is the editorial

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consultant to UFO magazine and you can

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always tell when when it is a a small

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startup magazine when you have major

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stories focused around members of of the

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staff so this photo of Paul Shepard he's

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a a young guy he's in a suit a very sort

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of 80s looking pinstripe suit which you

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can't be mad at because it's 1986 he's

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sitting in front of what looks like the

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original IBM PC although it might be an

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XT

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maybe an at I'm not sure there is uh

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behind him on an elevated shelf a copy

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of UFO contact for Planet called us and

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a um a giant ass dot matrix printer so

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um and and those little filing cabinets

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of a bunch of five and a quarter inch

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floppies so what Paul Shepard is doing

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is running something called the UFO

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contact newsline this is a a UFO news

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service that includes news sightings

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information contact stories and it

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involves somebody we've heard about

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before on this program Bill Jenkins who

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had the show open mind on KABC radio I

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think we covered yeah we covered open

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mind on on our Radio Days episode I

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believe and people in Southern

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California can call 976 UFOs and get

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daily updates about whatever the UFOs

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are doing I don't know if any of you are

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of the right age to remember

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976 numbers

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um

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hearing about them as a kid on the news

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and things like that I was under well

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not a kid I would have been

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11 12. yeah that's okay yeah 12. that's

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a kid um as a kid I was always under the

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impression it was very much the what

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were referred to at least in the midwest

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as dial-a-porn numbers this was adult

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programming sex chat lines things like

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this is those 976 numbers and they

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charged like you know a thousand bucks a

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minute or something

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um but I guess you could also call

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213-976 UFOs and

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um get the latest UFO news and they got

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funding from a uh a celebrity Source a a

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celebrity named Rusty Weaver he's he was

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a musician whose father was actor Dennis

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Weaver and Rusty

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um produced the uh daily segments for

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the UFO news contact line and appeared

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as the announcer or introduction guy

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before throwing to Bill Jenkins or

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somebody else for the the bulk of that

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day's report now Dennis Weaver was a

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phenomenal actor with an amazing career

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he was the president of the Screen

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Actors Guild in in the early 1970s he

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was in Gunsmoke he was in I'm just

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looking down the list here the bridges

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at Toko re seven angry men uh Navy Wife

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that sounds a little 976. he was in an

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episode of The Twilight Zone he was in

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something called the Great man's

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whiskers oh it's about Abraham Lincoln

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um disaster at Silo seven

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um he was he was the voice of buck McCoy

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on an episode of The Simpsons he was

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um he's in Magnum PI for an episode it

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a lot of stuff his son Rusty Weaver is

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discussed in this Wikipedia article as

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being among his children Rustin Weaver

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there is no I did not believe Rusty

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Weaver has his own

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[Laughter]

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Wikipedia page he does not do did you

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mean rugby Weaver no no I did not so

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real time real time research here on the

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the saucer life let's see what I can

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find out about Rusty Weaver should I

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have done this before yeah maybe

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um it's uh it's it's it's been a week

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um Rusty Weaver uh on IMDb he was born

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in 1959 he was uh on an episode of

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Magnum PI he was also in an episode of

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Gentle Ben

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he was

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for Magnum PI 1980 and Gentle Ben so

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this Magnum PI episode also starred his

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um his father

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um Robert Weaver and uh his or his

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brother Robert Weaver and his father

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Dennis Weaver and guest starred Susan

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Oliver who was in the original pilot

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um the cage that pilot episode of Star

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Trek okay so that's enough um enough

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Rusty Weaver so I looked all around

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anywhere I could find to find more about

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Paul Shepard more about this this UFO

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newsline and I could not find anything

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however this issue of UFO magazine did

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include a transcript of one of these

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you have breaking eyewitness contact

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news and inside stories concerning

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actual UFO and contact events reported

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Nationwide and around the world you'll

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hear them as they happen so stay on the

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line for Bill Jenkins with today's

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report thank you Dennis this week we are

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featuring The ongoing contacts with

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people from the planet oboe as this week

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progresses you will know why they have

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landed here what they look like and

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about their dealings with governments of

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the world but today our entire report

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comes directly from the transcripts of

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the ammo investigation

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these are the words of an ammo leader as

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he addresses all the people of planet

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Earth although this message was

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delivered a couple years ago the

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significance of the Extraterrestrial

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message has never been more timely we

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quote

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for 30 years we have studied your

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Sciences your culture your history and

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your civilizations all this information

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we have carried from your Earth to ammo

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in our titanium crystals codified with

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data

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we have demonstrated to you our culture

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and our technology in purely descriptive

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form so you cannot convert them or

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realize them practically we have done

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this because we note with sadness that

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you employ your Sciences primarily for

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War and the destruction of your own

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selves which continues as your principal

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objective you are like children playing

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with terrible and dangerous toys which

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will destroy you we can do nothing

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a cosmic law says that each world must

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make its own path to survive or to

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perish you have chosen the second you

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are destroying your planet annihilating

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your species and contaminating your

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atmosphere and your Seas until now this

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is irreversible with sadness we

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contemplate your insanity and understand

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that the remedy is only in yourselves we

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cannot look forward a great distance

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into your future because your psyches

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are completely unpredictable and

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capricious bordering on paranoia as your

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Elder Brothers in this Cosmos we

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urgently Desire with all our hearts your

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salvation do not destroy your beautiful

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blue planet a rare atmospheric world

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that floats so majestically in space so

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full of life it is your choice

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tomorrow our special report will to

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close how an ammo spacecraft halted a

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U.S naval Atomic test off the coast of

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California until then Dennis if you'd

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like to receive transcripts of today's

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report and more information about this

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I'm trying to imagine how irritated I

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would have been if I would have paid I

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don't know 3.99 a minute or whatever to

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hear a little bit of ammo now the the

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the phone dialing in aspect of it aside

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I think it's interesting that what Paul

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Shepard is doing is is in addition to

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providing this information to uh to

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people for

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um you know the phone service or through

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the phone service he's using his

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computer to catalog and organize citing

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reports and and working with various

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hotlines to get this information sort of

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collected and collated and sort of sort

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of organized which is which is neat

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although you can sort of see it as a

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we've got this new tool we can use this

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to you know easily you know crack the

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UFO case or at least understand it

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better but really is a stack of floppy

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disks any more likely to get you closer

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to the truth about the flying saucers

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than a metal filing cabinet I'm not

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really sure

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let's take our Midway break and then

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we'll come back and explore more of UFO

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magazine Volume 1 Number One sorry

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California UFO magazine volume one

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number one

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if you like the saucer life and and why

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wouldn't you and you want more you can

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support us in exchange for bonus content

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various sorts of things

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um this month we are doing a patreon AMA

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bonus episode I made the saucer wife

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watch UFO cover up live for Valentine's

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Day

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that was a hit

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um yeah lots of lots of stuff up there

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and uh and you can do that by um by

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going to patreon.com

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Media there's a link in the show notes

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you can also check out past episodes of

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556
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48480 okay let's look at some listener

557
00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:52,799
feedback about Dr Peter beater

558
00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:57,000
um yes uh over on patreon uh Donnie said

559
00:26:02,690 --> 00:25:59,400
wasn't Battle of the Harvest Moon and

560
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:02,700
Ewok Adventure TV film in the 80s and it

561
00:26:05,390 --> 00:26:04,740
sure sounds like it doesn't it or one of

562
00:26:07,490 --> 00:26:05,400
those

563
00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:07,500
um read-along books with all sorts of

564
00:26:11,690 --> 00:26:09,539
various you know non-canonical Star Wars

565
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:11,700
stories you'd get from the library if

566
00:26:16,010 --> 00:26:13,620
you are my age and that have a little

567
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:16,020
tape and it you know it would beep when

568
00:26:20,029 --> 00:26:17,279
you turn the page there's always some

569
00:26:22,789 --> 00:26:20,039
sort of crazy Star Wars thing with those

570
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:22,799
uh Vincent very humorously chimes in

571
00:26:26,810 --> 00:26:24,600
will the real Walter Mondale please

572
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:26,820
stand up please stand up

573
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,820
Laura beat everybody else who had the

574
00:26:33,950 --> 00:26:31,440
same comment to the punch and there were

575
00:26:36,890 --> 00:26:33,960
a lot of you who said something along

576
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:36,900
the lines of what she did Laura says did

577
00:26:40,789 --> 00:26:38,340
Dr beader take lessons on public

578
00:26:43,750 --> 00:26:40,799
speaking from Criswell that's all I hear

579
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:43,760
whenever he speaks for some reason yes

580
00:26:51,529 --> 00:26:47,159
several of you mentioned the uh the the

581
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:51,539
Criswell sound that Dr Peter's voice had

582
00:26:57,169 --> 00:26:55,380
with uh with somebody let me see if I

583
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:57,179
can uh if I can scroll down here and

584
00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,720
find it oh yeah Tim on Twitter says uh

585
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,880
Dr Peter's voice gave me serious the

586
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,559
amazing Criswell Vibes I expected to

587
00:27:07,789 --> 00:27:06,480
hear him say Greetings my friends we

588
00:27:09,470 --> 00:27:07,799
were all interested in the future for

589
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:09,480
that is where you and I are going to be

590
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,360
spending the rest of our lives uh

591
00:27:17,269 --> 00:27:15,360
Michael also on Twitter said every time

592
00:27:18,769 --> 00:27:17,279
he said my friends I was expecting can

593
00:27:21,950 --> 00:27:18,779
your heart stand the shocking facts

594
00:27:25,789 --> 00:27:21,960
about radio mysterioso Greg Bishop's

595
00:27:28,250 --> 00:27:25,799
wonderful show so a lot of people

596
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:28,260
um a lot of people sort of sort of got

597
00:27:33,490 --> 00:27:30,179
that Criswell Vibe which didn't occur to

598
00:27:37,730 --> 00:27:33,500
me at all until I saw Laura's comment

599
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:37,740
initially Paul on patreon says I could

600
00:27:41,330 --> 00:27:39,299
totally see myself listening to Dr

601
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:41,340
beader in the background while I work I

602
00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:43,020
wonder if he had seen the Westworld

603
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:45,419
sequel future world which has basically

604
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:48,059
the same premise premise as his organic

605
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,580
robotoids you definitely called it as

606
00:27:55,610 --> 00:27:52,740
sort of a diluted sci-fi version of The

607
00:27:57,169 --> 00:27:55,620
Manchurian Candidate premise I had

608
00:27:58,909 --> 00:27:57,179
thought that alternative three was the

609
00:28:01,549 --> 00:27:58,919
source of the secret space stuff but

610
00:28:04,269 --> 00:28:01,559
looks like that idea went back went

611
00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:04,279
further back to Dr beader or before

612
00:28:10,750 --> 00:28:06,900
I think there are hints of it before

613
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:10,760
with some of the

614
00:28:20,090 --> 00:28:16,080
Nazi UFO operation high jump Antarctica

615
00:28:21,789 --> 00:28:20,100
things but the timeline is all there's

616
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:21,799
there's a lot of stuff that sort of hits

617
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:24,720
at the same time

618
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:26,159
Stuart

619
00:28:29,510 --> 00:28:27,779
um says Dr beader seems like the

620
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,520
progenitor of many more famous and

621
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:31,679
fleshed out conspiracy theories I've

622
00:28:34,370 --> 00:28:32,880
certainly heard of The Secret war

623
00:28:36,409 --> 00:28:34,380
between various people from other

624
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,419
conspiracy theorists it's a shame he

625
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:38,400
doesn't get more credit really also I

626
00:28:42,409 --> 00:28:40,559
love tapes as a kid I could record songs

627
00:28:44,269 --> 00:28:42,419
from the radio and also phone up local

628
00:28:47,090 --> 00:28:44,279
radio stations and record my 15 minutes

629
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:47,100
of fame but they are dumb now yes

630
00:28:51,130 --> 00:28:49,020
cassettes are dumb

631
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:51,140
um because it is

632
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:54,539
2023. Doc Pinko says he should be known

633
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:56,460
for the fact that he has names that

634
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:58,140
rhyme if for nothing else yes and

635
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,419
several people pointed out my my

636
00:29:06,409 --> 00:29:03,600
incredible Equanimity in not giggling

637
00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:06,419
when I would talk about Dr Peter Peter

638
00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:09,000
another Patron says

639
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,159
it's very interesting before I knew much

640
00:29:14,810 --> 00:29:12,960
about it I had thought UFO communities

641
00:29:16,730 --> 00:29:14,820
were mostly crunchy New Age types but

642
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:16,740
the more I learned the more they seem to

643
00:29:20,750 --> 00:29:19,020
tend toward the hard right then again I

644
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:20,760
guess Q Anon has demonstrated that the

645
00:29:24,049 --> 00:29:22,140
difference between those is sometimes

646
00:29:26,450 --> 00:29:24,059
very narrow you've covered people like

647
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:26,460
this in the past but I'm curious what

648
00:29:31,850 --> 00:29:28,919
your thoughts are on the dynamic as a

649
00:29:34,490 --> 00:29:31,860
whole yes and actually

650
00:29:38,389 --> 00:29:34,500
um just this week on Twitter that came

651
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,399
up as well someone asked Greg Newkirk of

652
00:29:43,130 --> 00:29:41,520
Hellyer Fame what he thought about about

653
00:29:46,909 --> 00:29:43,140
this topic and he said there's you know

654
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,919
there's definitely some some overlap

655
00:29:51,889 --> 00:29:49,200
um I I think

656
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:51,899
I think one of the things that we tend

657
00:29:56,750 --> 00:29:54,240
to do sometimes is

658
00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:56,760
sometimes we can be a little blind to

659
00:30:01,310 --> 00:29:59,100
conspiratorial thinking when the

660
00:30:04,909 --> 00:30:01,320
conspiracy theory is you know sort of

661
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:04,919
angled toward our our personal political

662
00:30:10,549 --> 00:30:08,399
views I know I sometimes catch myself

663
00:30:12,289 --> 00:30:10,559
um thinking well yeah this makes a lot

664
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,299
of sense oh well actually that doesn't

665
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:15,120
but um but I want it to be true right

666
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:18,600
because it feeds my particular fears and

667
00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:22,860
uh and needs and desires I think

668
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,980
I think one of the things that

669
00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:27,600
um that that

670
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:29,940
can connect

671
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:33,779
the right of Center conspiracy world to

672
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:38,520
UFOs is this um the sort of very deep

673
00:30:44,269 --> 00:30:41,159
distrust of

674
00:30:45,549 --> 00:30:44,279
um of government of Experts of

675
00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:45,559
um of

676
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,679
entrenched bureaucracy and that you know

677
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,840
the UFO cover-up is managed by one of

678
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:54,480
these entrenched bureaucracies and and

679
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:56,940
this has been a a common conspiratorial

680
00:31:01,909 --> 00:30:59,760
Trope as we heard the the Peter Peter

681
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:01,919
stuff I mean long before you know the

682
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:04,919
the label deep State got applied to it

683
00:31:11,930 --> 00:31:07,919
it's it's too big of a topic to get into

684
00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,940
uh to get into here but um I I will

685
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:13,740
probably get into it more at some point

686
00:31:18,649 --> 00:31:16,320
but I I will say that that one thing I

687
00:31:22,070 --> 00:31:18,659
found very interesting is is that

688
00:31:25,010 --> 00:31:22,080
the the world of conspiracy theory used

689
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:25,020
to span much more of the political

690
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:29,820
Spectrum than it seems to in the last 15

691
00:31:38,289 --> 00:31:34,320
to 20 years and I've got I've got

692
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:38,299
Notions about that but um

693
00:31:42,049 --> 00:31:40,679
it's it's too big to get into here but

694
00:31:45,049 --> 00:31:42,059
but yes

695
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:45,059
um there there certainly is that um that

696
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:46,559
connection

697
00:31:51,230 --> 00:31:49,020
um and also

698
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,240
no not also um

699
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:52,559
yeah we've got to get back to the

700
00:31:57,409 --> 00:31:55,200
magazine and to other comments um but

701
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:57,419
um yeah there's there's a lot that could

702
00:32:01,070 --> 00:31:58,860
be said there

703
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:01,080
um also over on the patreon Karen and

704
00:32:07,250 --> 00:32:03,899
Baird both remember reading

705
00:32:10,190 --> 00:32:07,260
um none dare call it treason and none

706
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:10,200
dare call it conspiracy uh nice to know

707
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:12,179
that uh that there are others out there

708
00:32:15,950 --> 00:32:14,279
who at a young age were were reading

709
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,960
those sorts of things

710
00:32:19,490 --> 00:32:16,559
um

711
00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:19,500
and until I I read these articles that

712
00:32:24,830 --> 00:32:21,600
that are in books that mentioned none

713
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:24,840
dare call it treason I kind of wondered

714
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:26,760
if I'd imagined that book

715
00:32:33,889 --> 00:32:29,159
um if it was real or not

716
00:32:36,950 --> 00:32:33,899
um over on the saucer life website

717
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:36,960
um uh flying lemon commented I like the

718
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:38,880
idea that Peter beater had to come up

719
00:32:43,250 --> 00:32:41,220
with human body doubles in order to make

720
00:32:47,090 --> 00:32:43,260
his conspiracies fit with Jimmy Carter's

721
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:47,100
now legendary physical resiliency well I

722
00:32:49,850 --> 00:32:47,760
don't know what you're talking about

723
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:49,860
because he died of cancer back in the

724
00:32:55,310 --> 00:32:52,440
70s but no I'm I'm just kidding

725
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:55,320
um uh Jimmy Carter is a a physical

726
00:33:00,049 --> 00:32:56,760
Marvel

727
00:33:02,029 --> 00:33:00,059
um jfe 1138 asks so has it been Jimmy

728
00:33:04,250 --> 00:33:02,039
Carter's organic robotoid double doing

729
00:33:08,049 --> 00:33:04,260
all that Habitat for Humanity work these

730
00:33:10,370 --> 00:33:08,059
last uh decades interesting uh James

731
00:33:12,049 --> 00:33:10,380
says I don't know if you mentioned it on

732
00:33:13,850 --> 00:33:12,059
the podcast and I missed hearing it but

733
00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:13,860
I looked beat her up and saw he was

734
00:33:19,149 --> 00:33:15,960
General Counsel for the export import

735
00:33:21,289 --> 00:33:19,159
Bank in the 60s and was appointed by JFK

736
00:33:23,210 --> 00:33:21,299
so you could say this about him his

737
00:33:24,529 --> 00:33:23,220
listeners probably had good reason to

738
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:24,539
believe that he had excellent inside

739
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,179
information connections and sources as

740
00:33:33,230 --> 00:33:29,840
he was an establishment Insider himself

741
00:33:35,149 --> 00:33:33,240
yeah I I glossed over the import export

742
00:33:38,389 --> 00:33:35,159
stuff I think I read it in the official

743
00:33:41,149 --> 00:33:38,399
bio but yeah his appointment by uh by by

744
00:33:42,590 --> 00:33:41,159
Kennedy was was sort of a a patronage

745
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:42,600
thing for

746
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:44,159
um some solid party work in West

747
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:46,980
Virginia that helped Kennedy

748
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,580
um out in uh in in that state red pill

749
00:33:54,769 --> 00:33:53,039
junkie says the epic battles between the

750
00:33:56,570 --> 00:33:54,779
Communists and the Rockefellers narrated

751
00:33:59,389 --> 00:33:56,580
by beater feel like some weird

752
00:34:01,610 --> 00:33:59,399
conspiranoid version of a Kaiju movie am

753
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:01,620
I supposed to be rooting for Godzilla or

754
00:34:08,089 --> 00:34:05,220
Mothra here the answer is always Gamera

755
00:34:10,730 --> 00:34:08,099
the answer is always to root for Gamera

756
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,740
uh Lester says if all these people were

757
00:34:15,230 --> 00:34:12,599
being shot how come no one shot Dr

758
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:15,240
beater well then everybody would know he

759
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,000
was telling the true truth

760
00:34:22,190 --> 00:34:20,639
um Martin cottmeyer says I thought you

761
00:34:25,070 --> 00:34:22,200
might enjoy a little of the cultural

762
00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:25,080
backstory robotoid appeared earlier in

763
00:34:29,329 --> 00:34:27,480
science fiction and he has a link to an

764
00:34:30,829 --> 00:34:29,339
engram chart the Google engram chart

765
00:34:33,710 --> 00:34:30,839
that shows

766
00:34:37,550 --> 00:34:33,720
um that you know where words appear in

767
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:37,560
books robotoid appears in the February

768
00:34:44,930 --> 00:34:41,580
9th 1966 Lost in Space episode War of

769
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:44,940
the robots it says the idea of replacing

770
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:47,099
Leaders with um

771
00:34:53,570 --> 00:34:51,119
it it's had a high profile in the 1967

772
00:34:56,329 --> 00:34:53,580
Bond parody Casino Royale that clip has

773
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:56,339
Dr Noah Woody Allen bragging that he has

774
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:58,140
already replaced several Leaders with

775
00:35:02,450 --> 00:35:00,359
robot doubles which leads to his lady

776
00:35:05,329 --> 00:35:02,460
abductee remarking that explains a lot

777
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:05,339
of things Dr Noah also invented a flying

778
00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:07,140
saucer which is in some earlier scenes

779
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,180
thus this is an earlier intersection of

780
00:35:12,589 --> 00:35:10,560
saucers and doubles should you need

781
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:12,599
justification for the saucer life taking

782
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:15,599
on the topic of beater's robotoids

783
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:18,720
I will say that when um when I was in

784
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:21,180
grade school in junior high I was I was

785
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:23,460
a huge James Bond fan and me and my

786
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:26,280
friend Andy were huge James Bond fans we

787
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,260
would we would hang out and and just

788
00:35:32,569 --> 00:35:30,000
watch the movies on Friday nights like

789
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:32,579
like our his parents would take us we'd

790
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:34,619
rent like two or three James Bond movies

791
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:36,780
and stay up watching these things as as

792
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:40,079
like 12 and 13 year olds and I had found

793
00:35:49,430 --> 00:35:41,280
the

794
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:49,440
um at a thrift store for a dime by Herb

795
00:35:53,290 --> 00:35:51,180
Alpert and the Tijuana Brass Dusty

796
00:35:55,730 --> 00:35:53,300
Springfield is on it it's a great record

797
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:55,740
and you know sort of coincidentally so

798
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,020
sad to have lost Herb Alpert

799
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,480
um this week as well but it always

800
00:36:04,730 --> 00:36:01,920
confused me because I didn't know much

801
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:04,740
about the complicated rights situation

802
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,160
surrounding Casino Royale and so when

803
00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:10,800
Andy and I first saw the Casino Royale

804
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:12,599
movie with

805
00:36:18,109 --> 00:36:14,700
um with David Niven as Sir James Bond

806
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:18,119
and Woody Allen as Dr Noah the bad guy

807
00:36:22,430 --> 00:36:21,300
but who's also James Bond's nephew Ginny

808
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,440
Bond

809
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:25,440
um I was completely confused and

810
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:28,079
bewildered and I appreciate it much more

811
00:36:33,290 --> 00:36:31,500
now than I did as someone who thought

812
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:33,300
that that good grief this is even

813
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:36,480
sillier than the Roger Moore movies how

814
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:39,420
can this possibly be okay and that's

815
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:42,000
probably a good place to end the comment

816
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,820
section lots of great comments about uh

817
00:36:48,349 --> 00:36:46,859
about the Peter Peter episode if I

818
00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:48,359
didn't get to your comments sorry I did

819
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:52,320
read them all but um I just had to uh to

820
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:55,560
trim some things down so now let's get

821
00:37:01,260 --> 00:36:59,040
back to UFO sorry California UFO

822
00:37:07,670 --> 00:37:01,270
magazine number one

823
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:10,010
next up we have

824
00:37:16,250 --> 00:37:13,440
18 theories on UFOs from Brad Steiger

825
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,260
now these do have extensive explanations

826
00:37:20,349 --> 00:37:18,720
with them but I'm just going to run

827
00:37:23,030 --> 00:37:20,359
through them and let let you imagine

828
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,040
what the definition of these things are

829
00:37:29,089 --> 00:37:25,920
because these are are pretty interesting

830
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:29,099
there is a sort of introductory

831
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:32,099
paragraph to this that is

832
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:37,740
I don't know it just seems a bit much

833
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,200
in these final stages of the reality

834
00:37:45,050 --> 00:37:42,720
game man is urged on by an endless

835
00:37:47,329 --> 00:37:45,060
stream of Clues regarding his place in

836
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,339
the cosmos perhaps getting through the

837
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:50,160
foil of UFO will single out that one

838
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,220
decisive clue players get ready here

839
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:55,560
author Brad Steiger lays out some

840
00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,900
tenable leads to follow during this

841
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:00,240
particularly intriguing phase of the

842
00:38:08,750 --> 00:38:05,930
okay here are the theories here we go

843
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,760
the Extraterrestrial hypothesis military

844
00:38:13,790 --> 00:38:11,280
secret hypothesis secret society

845
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:13,800
hypothesis the hollow Earth hypothesis

846
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:16,680
program deceit and delusion hypothesis

847
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:19,160
unknown terrestrial life hypothesis

848
00:38:24,650 --> 00:38:22,200
astronauts from Atlantis hypothesis time

849
00:38:27,050 --> 00:38:24,660
traveler hypothesis other dimensions

850
00:38:30,349 --> 00:38:27,060
hypothesis planetary Poltergeist

851
00:38:33,770 --> 00:38:30,359
hypothesis protein psychoid hypothesis

852
00:38:36,589 --> 00:38:33,780
psychic need hypothesis euphonauts as

853
00:38:39,170 --> 00:38:36,599
archetypes hypothesis extraterrestrial

854
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,180
trickster's hypothesis Magic Theater

855
00:38:45,170 --> 00:38:42,480
hypothesis Supernatural hypothesis the

856
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:45,180
overlords hypothesis the reality game

857
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:46,859
hypothesis

858
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,079
and apparently Steiger wrote a book

859
00:38:54,890 --> 00:38:51,480
called The Reality game and how to win

860
00:38:58,190 --> 00:38:54,900
it so I think reality game hypothesis is

861
00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:58,200
just kind of something that is there in

862
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,660
order to segue into plugging his new

863
00:39:04,970 --> 00:39:03,000
book UFO might just as well stand for

864
00:39:06,829 --> 00:39:04,980
unprecedented Financial opportunity

865
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:06,839
thank you Jen

866
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,320
next a recurring segment in these early

867
00:39:16,210 --> 00:39:13,440
issues messages what are they saying and

868
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:16,220
this is sound bites

869
00:39:26,750 --> 00:39:18,780
I love this this is

870
00:39:30,589 --> 00:39:28,910
there is no place in the new age for

871
00:39:32,569 --> 00:39:30,599
entities who individually or

872
00:39:35,329 --> 00:39:32,579
collectively continue in their Pursuits

873
00:39:36,890 --> 00:39:35,339
of power and profit and it's likely that

874
00:39:38,930 --> 00:39:36,900
incidents will become more and more

875
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,940
dramatic until the peoples of Earth

876
00:39:43,490 --> 00:39:41,280
awaken from their slumber

877
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:43,500
Apollo Atlantean Starfleet Commander

878
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:45,240
1986.

879
00:39:49,609 --> 00:39:47,400
you know that when you join the

880
00:39:51,290 --> 00:39:49,619
Confederation you will once again be in

881
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:51,300
the Brotherhood of your planetary

882
00:39:56,990 --> 00:39:54,000
neighbors and will be shown many modes

883
00:39:58,970 --> 00:39:57,000
of travel and life they are numerous and

884
00:40:01,310 --> 00:39:58,980
you will be in their availability as

885
00:40:04,130 --> 00:40:01,320
soon as your planet understands its

886
00:40:08,930 --> 00:40:04,140
shift in spiritual dimension

887
00:40:11,270 --> 00:40:08,940
Commander sutco Saturn Council Command

888
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:11,280
some of our people stay only long enough

889
00:40:15,410 --> 00:40:13,560
to complete special missions but many

890
00:40:16,810 --> 00:40:15,420
have made the courageous decision to

891
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:16,820
spend the rest of their lives here

892
00:40:22,250 --> 00:40:19,920
scientists doctors Educators artists

893
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:22,260
engineers and ordinary citizens from

894
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,420
these Advanced planets live and work

895
00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:27,960
secretly among the people of Earth

896
00:40:32,990 --> 00:40:30,780
Echo Leia venusian

897
00:40:35,630 --> 00:40:33,000
the greatest need of your race your

898
00:40:38,030 --> 00:40:35,640
civilization and your society today is

899
00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:38,040
simple basic understanding between man

900
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:40,740
and fellow man between nation and nation

901
00:40:45,109 --> 00:40:43,200
and between all men and that greater

902
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,119
power and intelligence that pervades and

903
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:46,880
controls all nature

904
00:40:51,170 --> 00:40:49,740
understanding is the key to survival for

905
00:40:57,349 --> 00:40:51,180
your race

906
00:41:02,150 --> 00:40:59,630
so that last one I'm pretty sure that's

907
00:41:03,770 --> 00:41:02,160
Alan not Allen the way it was spelled

908
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:03,780
and that was

909
00:41:10,430 --> 00:41:07,800
um the uh Don Frye Donald Frye

910
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,440
um contacts a Daniel fry not Donald

911
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:12,960
what's wrong with me Daniel fry contacts

912
00:41:17,510 --> 00:41:15,180
but I I did find it amusing that they

913
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:17,520
listed him as spacecraft native as

914
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:19,740
though he just lives in his ship

915
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:22,140
um like it's a Winnebago trailer or

916
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:24,480
something and he's just sort of just

917
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:26,820
sort of living in a a flying saucer down

918
00:41:28,970 --> 00:41:28,140
by the river

919
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:28,980
so

920
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,880
well there are a couple really good

921
00:41:37,790 --> 00:41:35,040
stories about cases in Brazil and in the

922
00:41:39,890 --> 00:41:37,800
Soviet Union but um actually those are

923
00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:39,900
better fodder for actual full episodes

924
00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:43,079
based on those cases one of my favorite

925
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:45,420
things in this magazine however is

926
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:47,040
something you get in a magazine not

927
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,900
something you get in a book or in a

928
00:41:54,849 --> 00:41:50,880
documentary or something like that it's

929
00:41:57,950 --> 00:41:54,859
basically the want ads and one of the

930
00:41:59,810 --> 00:41:57,960
the sort of centerpiece of the want ads

931
00:42:02,510 --> 00:41:59,820
is and I don't know how they got this

932
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:02,520
many ads for their first issue

933
00:42:06,770 --> 00:42:03,359
um

934
00:42:09,730 --> 00:42:06,780
I'm sure they they solicited this but

935
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:09,740
it's the contact e and networking

936
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:12,720
opportunities a lot of these are

937
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:15,780
organizations looking for people of

938
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:19,520
like-minded spiritual and euphological

939
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:23,820
inclination for communication and oh

940
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,010
outer space International research and

941
00:42:36,770 --> 00:42:34,200
investigations Society Osiris the heart

942
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:36,780
and brainchild of Raymond a Keller II

943
00:42:41,150 --> 00:42:39,119
publishes the aerial space phenomena

944
00:42:43,490 --> 00:42:41,160
review a desktop newsletter filled with

945
00:42:46,069 --> 00:42:43,500
notes and news derived from many sources

946
00:42:47,810 --> 00:42:46,079
within the UFO scene through this and

947
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,820
his other efforts on behalf of humanity

948
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,920
he hopes to promote world peace and

949
00:42:54,050 --> 00:42:51,960
prepare people's hearts and Minds for

950
00:42:56,990 --> 00:42:54,060
the arrival of great intelligences from

951
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:57,000
other star systems contact Rhema day

952
00:43:02,390 --> 00:42:59,640
Keller II Osiris or aerial space

953
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:02,400
phenomena review 56 good blood drive

954
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:13,550
my friends I am 78.5 sure that this

955
00:43:21,230 --> 00:43:17,280
Raymond a Keller II is in fact cosmic

956
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,240
ray my old nemesis from our episode

957
00:43:27,530 --> 00:43:24,240
about the mysterious Mitchell sisters

958
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,540
cosmic ray we meet again who will Who

959
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,000
will rid me of this meddlesome contact

960
00:43:36,349 --> 00:43:33,119
day Information Services California UFO

961
00:43:38,569 --> 00:43:36,359
magazine puts its own uh self in its uh

962
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:38,579
in its want ads wanting uh wanting some

963
00:43:43,370 --> 00:43:41,760
information the UFO contact newsline is

964
00:43:48,170 --> 00:43:43,380
in there there are also some other

965
00:43:52,250 --> 00:43:50,690
Institute for UFO contact e studies

966
00:43:55,069 --> 00:43:52,260
along with paranormal research

967
00:43:56,569 --> 00:43:55,079
organization and UFO studies sponsors

968
00:43:59,450 --> 00:43:56,579
the well-attended Rocky Mountain

969
00:44:01,609 --> 00:43:59,460
conference on UFO investigation this

970
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:01,619
annual Congregation of contactees and

971
00:44:06,290 --> 00:44:03,720
investigators takes place at the

972
00:44:08,630 --> 00:44:06,300
University of Wyoming workplace of UFO

973
00:44:12,410 --> 00:44:08,640
researcher and hypnotist Dr Leo sprinkle

974
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:12,420
the purpose of ifufocs says sprinkle is

975
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:14,700
to research contact e phenomena and

976
00:44:18,650 --> 00:44:16,260
bring to light the nature of their

977
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:18,660
experiences conference proceedings are

978
00:44:24,890 --> 00:44:22,319
available in booklet form

979
00:44:27,770 --> 00:44:24,900
so sprinkle as you know was one of the

980
00:44:31,069 --> 00:44:27,780
earliest hypnotists who worked with what

981
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,079
I always thought were UFO abductees and

982
00:44:36,890 --> 00:44:33,359
I think it's interesting that the word

983
00:44:41,630 --> 00:44:36,900
abductee might not have

984
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:41,640
the use in late 1986 that it uh that it

985
00:44:44,510 --> 00:44:43,200
later would so I found that very

986
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:44,520
interesting

987
00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:47,220
um Bill Moore has an ad in here offering

988
00:44:50,930 --> 00:44:49,260
his Publications and research through

989
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:50,940
the organization the fair witness

990
00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:54,240
project Incorporated to those who might

991
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,380
be interested there's even an ad for The

992
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:01,200
Amalgamated Flying Saucer clubs of

993
00:45:06,530 --> 00:45:02,520
America

994
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,540
yes Gabe Green's outfit and Gabe green

995
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:09,119
is still running it we also learned that

996
00:45:13,490 --> 00:45:10,920
he is now facilitating past life

997
00:45:16,190 --> 00:45:13,500
regressions utilizing a technique that

998
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,200
the aliens gave him and he is quote

999
00:45:22,609 --> 00:45:18,960
known for advocating an egalitarian New

1000
00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:22,619
Age ideology called universalism he is

1001
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:25,740
very smart to rename it that and not

1002
00:45:32,270 --> 00:45:28,380
throw around the very confusing term

1003
00:45:33,890 --> 00:45:32,280
prior Choice economics that's uh that's

1004
00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:33,900
not gonna sell prior to his economics

1005
00:45:40,250 --> 00:45:36,119
nobody cares he calls something

1006
00:45:43,609 --> 00:45:40,260
on the other hand universalism yeah yeah

1007
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:43,619
that uh that will fly there's a lot of

1008
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:46,680
interesting things here there's an ad

1009
00:45:51,349 --> 00:45:48,599
from a woman named Catherine so long

1010
00:45:53,089 --> 00:45:51,359
that says contact ease are you having

1011
00:45:54,589 --> 00:45:53,099
trouble integrating your experiences

1012
00:45:56,510 --> 00:45:54,599
into your daily life

1013
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,520
et's in human form are you having

1014
00:46:00,410 --> 00:45:58,800
trouble adjusting to life on Earth and

1015
00:46:02,930 --> 00:46:00,420
understanding listener and skilled

1016
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:02,940
therapist can help so Catherine's so

1017
00:46:09,050 --> 00:46:06,000
long PHD is offering counseling and

1018
00:46:13,130 --> 00:46:09,060
therapy for not just contact ease but

1019
00:46:16,130 --> 00:46:13,140
also aliens who are stuck here on Earth

1020
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:16,140
and finally my my favorite ad of the

1021
00:46:24,650 --> 00:46:22,069
Millennium colonization Corporation

1022
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:24,660
engages in an imagineering exercise for

1023
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,520
futurists with a working knowledge of

1024
00:46:31,010 --> 00:46:28,800
Mormonism in keeping with the Mormon

1025
00:46:33,130 --> 00:46:31,020
Doctrine Millennium colonists foresee

1026
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,140
and expect to build an autonomous

1027
00:46:37,370 --> 00:46:35,400
Interstellar Community called New

1028
00:46:39,530 --> 00:46:37,380
Jerusalem which will link up with the

1029
00:46:41,450 --> 00:46:39,540
original space-going city of Enoch

1030
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,460
applications are now being taken for

1031
00:46:45,770 --> 00:46:43,920
like-minded Interstellar colonists with

1032
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:45,780
their sights set on the Celestial

1033
00:46:52,730 --> 00:46:48,900
Kingdom long-term property leases are

1034
00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:55,309
and people are urged to contact Robert J

1035
00:46:58,970 --> 00:46:57,300
spanville the coordinator of colonist

1036
00:47:02,630 --> 00:46:58,980
recruiting Millennium colonization

1037
00:47:04,450 --> 00:47:02,640
Corporation 60 West 57th Street New York

1038
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:04,460
New York

1039
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,060
10019 maybe it maybe I'm just being very

1040
00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:12,000
sort of Prejudiced and stereotypical I

1041
00:47:17,089 --> 00:47:13,859
was really expecting a Salt Lake City

1042
00:47:20,450 --> 00:47:17,099
address with that I don't know why so

1043
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:20,460
kind of in summary this first issue of

1044
00:47:24,770 --> 00:47:23,160
of California UFO magazine I got it

1045
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:24,780
right the first time California UFO

1046
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:28,400
magazine is much more

1047
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:32,220
much much more woo than I expected it to

1048
00:47:40,370 --> 00:47:35,119
be and I find it very interesting that

1049
00:47:43,309 --> 00:47:40,380
the UFO Reporting News contact hotline

1050
00:47:45,890 --> 00:47:43,319
was not just selling

1051
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:45,900
contact ebooks like contact from planet

1052
00:47:51,170 --> 00:47:48,240
coldest these were the contact ebooks

1053
00:47:53,290 --> 00:47:51,180
that were edited by Wendell Stevens that

1054
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:53,300
were brought over from Europe and and

1055
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:56,099
translated through and and edited by

1056
00:48:01,190 --> 00:47:58,560
Wendell Stevens and on the last page

1057
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:01,200
there's another ad from UFO contact

1058
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:04,440
newsline they're presenting

1059
00:48:12,410 --> 00:48:08,940
videos on VHS or beta the beam ship

1060
00:48:15,710 --> 00:48:12,420
trilogy that's right palladian beam

1061
00:48:17,930 --> 00:48:15,720
ships it's the Billy Meyer thing so this

1062
00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:17,940
Paul Shepard guy who's running UFO

1063
00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:21,060
contact newsline who is a production

1064
00:48:26,050 --> 00:48:22,560
associate

1065
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:26,060
at UFO magazine is

1066
00:48:31,849 --> 00:48:29,400
his company is pushing the Billy Meyer

1067
00:48:32,750 --> 00:48:31,859
stuff in the United States sort of I

1068
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:32,760
don't know if it was the main

1069
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:35,700
distributor but in 1986 had to be one of

1070
00:48:41,809 --> 00:48:38,819
the earliest Distributors of this I find

1071
00:48:43,010 --> 00:48:41,819
that very interesting because

1072
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,020
um

1073
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:45,359
we've not covered the Meyer Material on

1074
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:47,700
this uh on this show you can throw that

1075
00:48:50,990 --> 00:48:49,140
in your Google machine and find out all

1076
00:48:51,530 --> 00:48:51,000
you want about it but

1077
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,540
um

1078
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,280
when I I

1079
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:55,680
bought my first issue of UFO magazine in

1080
00:48:59,930 --> 00:48:57,660
the summer of 1998

1081
00:49:02,690 --> 00:48:59,940
I'm pretty sure that it didn't have

1082
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:02,700
Billy Meyer Material so the tone of UFO

1083
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,460
magazine would change over time

1084
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:07,740
and at first I thought that might be due

1085
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:09,599
to a change in Personnel but Vicky

1086
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,520
Cooper was there

1087
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:13,560
for the whole run Sherry Stark was there

1088
00:49:18,650 --> 00:49:16,500
for a very long time Don Ecker would

1089
00:49:19,970 --> 00:49:18,660
come in and if you've listened to any

1090
00:49:21,370 --> 00:49:19,980
interview with Don Ecker you know he's

1091
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,380
much more

1092
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:23,760
hard-nosed than not I would not expect

1093
00:49:31,010 --> 00:49:26,400
Don Acker to be a fan of

1094
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:31,020
um of of Bill Billy Billy Meyer Material

1095
00:49:34,250 --> 00:49:32,760
um but

1096
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:34,260
I don't know if it's Personnel that

1097
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changed or if ufology changed because as

1098
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:39,780
we get into 1987 and 1988 and on

1099
00:49:44,150 --> 00:49:40,980
subsequent episodes we're gonna be

1100
00:49:46,670 --> 00:49:44,160
looking at more of these old UFO

1101
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:46,680
magazines we're gonna we're gonna see

1102
00:49:52,190 --> 00:49:49,980
that ufology changes dramatically

1103
00:49:54,410 --> 00:49:52,200
through these you see you follow these

1104
00:49:57,230 --> 00:49:54,420
change through these issues and it's not

1105
00:49:59,569 --> 00:49:57,240
maybe that there was an editorial

1106
00:50:01,550 --> 00:49:59,579
decision no we are we are not going to

1107
00:50:03,589 --> 00:50:01,560
cover contact ease as much it's just

1108
00:50:06,109 --> 00:50:03,599
that there was so much other stuff that

1109
00:50:09,170 --> 00:50:06,119
came in we're going to have the mj12

1110
00:50:11,569 --> 00:50:09,180
thing break huge we're going to have the

1111
00:50:13,970 --> 00:50:11,579
abduction phenomenon break huge with

1112
00:50:16,550 --> 00:50:13,980
Whitley streeper's communion coming out

1113
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,560
not very long after this we're going to

1114
00:50:20,750 --> 00:50:18,720
have more Roswell stuff we're going to

1115
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:20,760
have John Lear and Bill Cooper and Bill

1116
00:50:27,170 --> 00:50:24,300
English and that whole thing that

1117
00:50:30,109 --> 00:50:27,180
happens that sort of you know turns

1118
00:50:33,290 --> 00:50:30,119
ufology on its axis a little bit and and

1119
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:33,300
kind of reorients it because in late

1120
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:35,760
1986 here we are we are still very much

1121
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:38,400
in the mode of you know there's contact

1122
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:40,020
e stuff and there's lights in the sky

1123
00:50:46,849 --> 00:50:42,420
stuff and never the twain she'll meet

1124
00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:46,859
but at this point forward

1125
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UFO magazine will change

1126
00:50:56,450 --> 00:50:54,000
but ufology changes as well and as a

1127
00:50:57,950 --> 00:50:56,460
magazine tracking the UFO phenomenon and

1128
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:57,960
those debates

1129
00:51:07,849 --> 00:50:59,700
that's going to be

1130
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thank you for listening remember to send

1131
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in your questions and comments via the

1132
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usual social media or email channels and

1133
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:16,079
we'll be addressing those next time our

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associate producer is Simpson J Hanover

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III and the saucer life is a production

1136
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1137
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,819
is with the people until next time keep

1138
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:29,280
watching the magazine stands wait those

1139
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don't exist anymore keep watching the